pets de DK - daño excesivo

[nicomayo]

Claw - Spells - Wrath of the Lich King Database

[Necrosis]

esto seria bueno que los dk revisen que formula esta tomando, fuerza/ap/agilidad del ghoul. Es un link de trinity de hace un mes. Si los dk son tan amables de aclarar cual de las formulas esta tomando aca se agradeceria:

I've been doing some reading on DK pet scaling and what I read seems to contradict the current scaling system TC uses.

Source:
Pet Discussion - (Garg, AotD, Ghoul) - Elitist Jerks
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...=1#post6180794

Currently, TC scales Ghoul Attack Power as
GhoulAP = (GhoulSTR * 2) + (PlayerAP * 0.22) - 20

From the reading above, it should be:
GhoulAP = GhoulSTR - GhoulBaseSTR + BaseAP + Agi.from.buffs

Can someone confirm whether I'm reading this wrong? Many retail forums have said Ghouls don't scale from the DK's AP.
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I'd trust the Elitistjerks more than others because I believe a few of the Blizzard Blues are or were members of that guild. Anyway, it looks like your formula is a little off, the two threads you posted don't include agility.

Ghoul Ap = Strength - Base_Str + Base_AP

Also, the two formulas indicate that the pet is not recieving AP directly from the DK but rather from the scaling provided by STR. You apply STR scaling from the DK which modifies the "Strength" (in bold below) attribute in the calculation for AP.

Ghoul Str = (DKStr * (.7 * RavDead))
Ghoul Ap = Strength - Base_Str + Base_AP

So as you see, AP does not benefit directly from the DK's AP but rather indirectly through the DK's STR scaling.
Keep in mind too that the scaling system in TC needs to move to auras. Right now it's just kinda stitched together.
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Thanks for the response.

The MMO champion post does discuss Agility, specifically:

"agi of the dk does not benefit ghoul, agi buffs benefit ghoul 1 agi -> 1 ap". I don't know if it is correct but that post was made during the 3.x era from testing on a PTR. The only buffs that would work for this are GBoK, MotW, HoW/totem, which works out to be ~300AP at best.

Basically the current system has the scaling too high since the AP of the DK is buffing the pet in addition to strength and strength is giving 2AP per point to the pet instead of 1AP.
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[Weeman]

Basically the current system has the scaling too high since the AP of the DK is buffing the pet in addition to strength and strength is giving 2AP per point to the pet instead of 1AP.
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:O Gee Gee

Conrazon las 2 pets te solean a alguien en 15 segundos.

[Kamei]

Veo que algunos ya ni se acuerdan lo que postean en otros post. Esto fue posteado por vos necrosis, pero veo que en el ultimo post te olvidaste:

Basically the current system has the scaling too high since the AP of the DK is buffing the pet in addition to strength and strength is giving 2AP per point to the pet instead of 1AP.

Vamos a WowWiki (que es una fuente confiable) para la 3.2.2 (cabe agregar que las ghouls no fueron modificadas hasta cataclysm):

Like all class pets, ghouls' base stats scale with their level.
Ghouls receive 70% of their master's strength untalented and 112% of their master's strength fully talented with 3/3 Ravenous Dead. A Glyph of the Ghoul causes ghouls to inherit an additional 40% of their master's strength, for a maximum strength inheritance of 152%.
Ghouls receive 2 attack power per point of strength over 10.
Ghouls receive 30% of their master's stamina untalented and 48% of their master's stamina fully talented with 3/3 Ravenous Dead. A Glyph of the Ghoul causes ghouls to inherit an additional 40% of their master's stamina, for a maximum stamina inheritance of 88%.
Ghouls do not receive any health from their base stamina, and receive 10 points of health for each additional point of stamina.
Ghouls receive 40% of their master's resilience rating.
Claw deals 150% of a ghoul's AP-modified "weapon" damage.
Gnaw deals 12% of a ghoul's AP-modified "weapon" damage.
Ghouls gain hit chance and expertise based on their master's hit chance, according to the patch 3.2.0 "If a player is at their appropriate spell hit chance or hit chance maximum, their pet will be at the maximum for spell hit chance, hit chance, and expertise. If they are below the maximum, their pet will be proportionately below those maximums."
Ghouls do not inherit any armor.
Ghouls receive 100% of their master's haste.

A su vez agrego que si ves las fechas de los post de EJ y MmoChampion son ANTES de la 3.2.2, antes de la PRT.
Extrañamente mi ghoul tiene 22 de fuerza base, cuando debería tener 330 (o_O). Saludos.

[Humo]

wowwiki no es una fuente confiable

[Kamei]

Quedate tranquilo que lo es, por que si ves las referencias están sacadas de los Blue Post de los foros oficiales del bug tracker, que respondían los mismos desarrolladores del Wow. Las podes ver abajo a las referencias. Suerte.

[Precario]

hola volvi de mis vacas

Voy a quotear el post del user "Kamei" que lo explicó bien.

Funciona Bien.

El ataque de Claw de la pet es una modificación del Attack Power del Dk, básicamente la formula es:

Claw Damage = 0.257 * Dk ap.

http://foros.gxzone.com/attachments/...513_113153.jpg

Como se puede ver en mi DK vs un target de 0% armor el daño es 0.257 * 5232 = 1344. En la imagen es 1327. Si se testea en un target de armadura (dummy heroico en este caso) se puede ver que la reducción existe.

En cuanto a la gárgola el coeficiente es 0.333 del ap del DK, modificado por los talentos que aumenten Shadow Damage. Entonces 0.333 * 5232 = 1742 + 10% (por Black Ice, no tenia puesto Blood Plague para el otro buff del 10%) = 1916.

http://foros.gxzone.com/attachments/...513_115449.jpg

Como veras en la imagen pega 1808.

A todo esto, saca la cuenta que las pets no estan tomando el haste del DK, asi que te deberían pegar mucho mas rápido y no lo están haciendo.

Y aprovecho de paso.. raton podés ver ese tema? Estaria bueno que la gargola tome haste. No creo que afecte mucho al pvp, pero en pve es MUY importante ( La gargola se tira despues del hero con la pocion de 500haste y otros procs + buff.. es un aumento interesante del dps)

ahi hay algo mal el daño de la gargola es nature no shadow.... recien en el parche 5.1 hace daño combinado con shadow

otra cosa el skill de la gargola debe pegar cada 2 s no 1.5 s

Gargoyle Strike - Spell - World of Warcraft los otros links del skill son de npcs
por lo tanto no toma haste claro pero pega mas rapido.... en otras palabras ta mal

[Draguen]

hola volvi de mis vacas



ahi hay algo mal el daño de la gargola es nature no shadow.... recien en el parche 5.1 hace daño combinado con shadow

otra cosa el skill de la gargola debe pegar cada 2 s no 1.5 s

Gargoyle Strike - Spell - World of Warcraft los otros links del skill son de npcs
por lo tanto no toma haste claro pero pega mas rapido.... en otras palabras ta mal

Si eso es asi, por ende la gargola no tiene que tomar daño del black ice como dijo lukpoh(10% daño).

Buen hallazgo preca

[Nhezzo]

gigi. WE GOT U NOW DIKA GOTCHA

[nicomayo]

que lukpoh se haya equivocado no significa que en el server este funcionando mal. el mismo tooltip del talento dice que es nature damage. actualmente no tengo el wow, alguien que testee?